DS: 00:00 Good day and welcome to What Would Jefferson Do?, our weekly possibility to speak about modern-day American occasions with President Thomas Jefferson, who's seated throughout from me now. Good day to you, Mr. Jefferson.
CSJ as TJ: 00:14 Good day to you, citizen.
DS: 00:sixteen Mr. Jefferson, I even have a query right here from Mr. James Chin. He desires to recognize if, whilst you have been in France, have been you impacted via way of means of what he calls the Illuminati, and are there Illuminati in our authorities or amongst international leaders pushing for a brand new international order. Can you are making the experience of that sir?
CSJ as TJ: 00:36 To a degree. So I became inquisitive about the paintings of the Illuminati and I additionally knew of the paintings of the Freemasons and others. They all had equal functions in mind: to stay in a rational international, to consider withinside the perfectibility of mankind, to secularize our nation's church buildings to the volume feasible, and to sell a scientific, secular, and enlightened view of the sector. And they have been a fairly secretive organization, the Illuminati, and plenty of humans observed them be objectionable due to that. And due to the fact they were not positive about the schedule of those groups. I became constantly very strict with myself and did now no longer part of any exceptional groups whatsoever. I'm regularly requested if I became a Mason or a Freemason, and the solution is no,
DS: 01:29 But who have been those humans, the Illuminati?
CSJ as TJ: 01:32 They have been nicely knowledgeable reformers. They have been to time elements of authorities, from time to time elements of universities or what you'll name foundations.
DS: 01:forty two Was it a secretive society or became it publicly known?
CSJ as TJ: 01:forty six Somewhere in between — so club became a mystery, however, it became fairly of an open mystery. They had not nothing to hide. It became simply one of these fraternities that exist within side the international in which there may be a rule of silence. There is a mysterious ritual of a few sorts, even though allow me to inform you from what little I recognize of it, it is the innocent ritual, and that they existed to sell an enlightenment view of the sector. They had no mystery schedule to displace Popes or to position positive despots at the crown or take away them or something else. These have been humans that belong to what I might name the republic of letters — like-minded reformists, philosophes, scientists, guys of letters, humans that believed in herbal records. Men preferred to correspond with every different approximately the records of thoughts and the ability of thoughts to extrude the sector. I do not see any damage in any of those varieties of groups, however, I'm now no longer fond of their mystery rituals. And so I by no means joined the masonic movement, although Meriwether Lewis, my protégé, became a Freemason and helped to begin the primary Masonic hotel west of the Mississippi River after his go back from his tour. And George Washington, of course, the best of all Americans, became himself a Freemason.
DS: 03:05 Well, I suspect Mr. Chin's letter would possibly have something to do with the modern-day notion of mystery societies that are attempting to persuade our authorities.
CSJ as TJ: 03:15 There's constantly a conspiracy view that there by some means are humans behind the scenes who're transferring the levers of the sector economic system or the levers of our country states. It's by no means true.
DS: 03:30 Well, isn't always it to a positive volume? I suggest the guys in authority, even for the duration of it slow have been those who are referred to as the shots.
CSJ as TJ: 03:37 There are varieties of authorities. Even in a constrained little republic like ours, there are the everlasting forms or the semi-everlasting forms, folks that preserve their positions as tax creditors or the Department of State or the Department of the Treasury, regardless of who occurs to be the modern-day president of the USA, after which there is the institution of humans which are fully established upon whoever occurs to be president. So after I got here to the presidency in 1801, I determined now no longer to take away each person from the preceding administrations — that was regarded as too radical, however, I used the attrition to convey down the wide variety of humans from preceding administrations and I discouraged a few humans from sporting on if they have been diehard federalists. And so I did not have a wholesale shuffling of the forms, however, I made a few adjustments. My buddy said, what is the factor of being elected president in case you do not additionally place guys of your very own stamp into those key offices? So I attempted to comply with a center course, however, my factor is set by the Illuminati and Masonic movement. There have been Christians who observed them objectionable due to their deism and their unfastened wondering ways, however, there has been now no longer a conspiracy behind the curtain that became jogging the authorities of the USA or every other country to this point as I recognize.
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